Comments for Linuxcentre http://linuxcentre.net   Sun, 21 Mar 2010 07:29:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 Comment on get_iplayer dropped in response to BBC’s lack of support for open source by Tim http://linuxcentre.net/get_iplayer-dropped-in-response-to-bbcs-lack-of-support-for-open-source#comment-21549 Tim Sat, 20 Mar 2010 22:23:28 +0000 http://linuxcentre.net/?p=914#comment-21549 May I also add to the list of praise and thankyous for get_iplayer, which has saved me many a time when I missed a programme or forgot to record it on my linux pc using linux software recording BBC programmes being streamed over the air waves funded by my licence fee. I was able to set these downloads running overnight on my "always on" linux PC, and able to do this without having a desktop gui and browser running. Wake up Auntie, and pay Phil to help you get it right :D May I also add to the list of praise and thankyous for get_iplayer, which has saved me many a time when I missed a programme or forgot to record it on my linux pc using linux software recording BBC programmes being streamed over the air waves funded by my licence fee. I was able to set these downloads running overnight on my “always on” linux PC, and able to do this without having a desktop gui and browser running. Wake up Auntie, and pay Phil to help you get it right :D

]]> Comment on iPlayer Search Help by Aularon http://linuxcentre.net/projects/iplayer-search#comment-21539 Aularon Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:16:41 +0000 http://linuxcentre.net/?page_id=935#comment-21539 First of all, many thanks for the awesome work. Second, I searched for the sourcecode of the new iplayer-search script, but didn't find it.. where can I get it? Thanks in advance : ) First of all, many thanks for the awesome work.

Second, I searched for the sourcecode of the new iplayer-search script, but didn’t find it.. where can I get it?

Thanks in advance : )

]]> Comment on get_iplayer dropped in response to BBC’s lack of support for open source by sierraindigo http://linuxcentre.net/get_iplayer-dropped-in-response-to-bbcs-lack-of-support-for-open-source#comment-21536 sierraindigo Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:07:22 +0000 http://linuxcentre.net/?p=914#comment-21536 hopefully you don't mind me doing this... realised i had get_iplayer installed on my girlfriend's laptop so transferred get_iplayer.cgi and now have a working web pvr again (albeit an older version - 0.59). have uploaded to mediafire for anyone in same situ: http://www.mediafire.com/file/tendm1myjzg/get_iplayer.cgi and the get_iplayer.pl 2.76 version: http://www.mediafire.com/file/kmj4yz2mojq/get_iplayer.pl hopefully you don’t mind me doing this…

realised i had get_iplayer installed on my girlfriend’s laptop so transferred get_iplayer.cgi and now have a working web pvr again (albeit an older version - 0.59).
have uploaded to mediafire for anyone in same situ:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/tendm1myjzg/get_iplayer.cgi

and the get_iplayer.pl 2.76 version:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/kmj4yz2mojq/get_iplayer.pl

]]> Comment on get_iplayer dropped in response to BBC’s lack of support for open source by sierraindigo http://linuxcentre.net/get_iplayer-dropped-in-response-to-bbcs-lack-of-support-for-open-source#comment-21530 sierraindigo Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:34:09 +0000 http://linuxcentre.net/?p=914#comment-21530 get_iplayer has been a fantastic tool - allowing me to dl and transfer files to my mp3 player etc. it's a real shame that you're no longer developing it. only realised when i tried to update and it stopped working. have got it running again using the script from strawp.net but can't work get the web pvr working again :( get_iplayer has been a fantastic tool - allowing me to dl and transfer files to my mp3 player etc. it’s a real shame that you’re no longer developing it. only realised when i tried to update and it stopped working. have got it running again using the script from strawp.net but can’t work get the web pvr working again :(

]]> Comment on get_iplayer dropped in response to BBC’s lack of support for open source by Tony http://linuxcentre.net/get_iplayer-dropped-in-response-to-bbcs-lack-of-support-for-open-source#comment-21516 Tony Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:18:47 +0000 http://linuxcentre.net/?p=914#comment-21516 Phil, Thanks for the effort you put into a great tool. I'm glad I've archived a few copies away, only sorry I couldn't have introduced more people to it. Guess I'll be transcoding the much bigger files from my Humax PVR in future. Thanks again, Tony. Phil,

Thanks for the effort you put into a great tool. I’m glad I’ve archived a few copies away, only sorry I couldn’t have introduced more people to it.

Guess I’ll be transcoding the much bigger files from my Humax PVR in future.

Thanks again,

Tony.

]]> Comment on iPlayer Search Help by Ron http://linuxcentre.net/projects/iplayer-search#comment-21498 Ron Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:28:06 +0000 http://linuxcentre.net/?page_id=935#comment-21498 This is a handy application. Thanks. All that's missing is 'right-click download with get_iplayer'. I wish. ;-) This is a handy application. Thanks.
All that’s missing is ‘right-click download with get_iplayer’.
I wish. ;-)

]]> Comment on get_iplayer dropped in response to BBC’s lack of support for open source by Andy http://linuxcentre.net/get_iplayer-dropped-in-response-to-bbcs-lack-of-support-for-open-source#comment-21493 Andy Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:09:51 +0000 http://linuxcentre.net/?p=914#comment-21493 Thank you so much for all your dedicated work on get_iplayer. It's allowed me to time-shift programmes easily and watch/listen on devices not supported by the BBC, and truly enriched my experience of their output. I totally understand your reasons for ceasing development, given the BBC's recent statements. Best of luck with your future projects, Andy Thank you so much for all your dedicated work on get_iplayer. It’s allowed me to time-shift programmes easily and watch/listen on devices not supported by the BBC, and truly enriched my experience of their output. I totally understand your reasons for ceasing development, given the BBC’s recent statements.

Best of luck with your future projects,

Andy

]]> Comment on get_iplayer dropped in response to BBC’s lack of support for open source by Paul Jakma http://linuxcentre.net/get_iplayer-dropped-in-response-to-bbcs-lack-of-support-for-open-source#comment-21488 Paul Jakma Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:00:17 +0000 http://linuxcentre.net/?p=914#comment-21488 Perhaps they're not being spineless, perhaps they're deliberately giving only a small part of the picture so as to invite people to a conclusion that is not actually true. E.g. at least one of the rights holders is BBC Worldwide, other rights holders will also be owned or part-owned by BBC (e.g. Top Gear production company). See my other post below for link and quote. So when the BBC says its hands are tied by rights holders, it's omitting to say "which happens to be us, in a lot of cases". Sneaky, but technically not outright lying. Note that the BBC apparently is required by its rules to have a controlling financial interest in any company if that company is to be allowed to co-brand with the BBC. Alex Cockell and myself have been dumpster diving through the PDFs of Beeb rules on this on the Ian Hunter blog you linked to. You have to go way down to about comment #200. E.g. it seems the BBC Trust licence for BBC Online requires access to "a wide range of IP enabled devices", and there's lots of other interesting things there. We really all need to raise these issues with the BBC Trust. See below for another post of mine on that. Thanks for all your good work on this btw! Though, I wish you'd reconsider ;) Perhaps they’re not being spineless, perhaps they’re deliberately giving only a small part of the picture so as to invite people to a conclusion that is not actually true.

E.g. at least one of the rights holders is BBC Worldwide, other rights holders will also be owned or part-owned by BBC (e.g. Top Gear production company). See my other post below for link and quote. So when the BBC says its hands are tied by rights holders, it’s omitting to say “which happens to be us, in a lot of cases”. Sneaky, but technically not outright lying.

Note that the BBC apparently is required by its rules to have a controlling financial interest in any company if that company is to be allowed to co-brand with the BBC.

Alex Cockell and myself have been dumpster diving through the PDFs of Beeb rules on this on the Ian Hunter blog you linked to. You have to go way down to about comment #200.

E.g. it seems the BBC Trust licence for BBC Online requires access to “a wide range of IP enabled devices”, and there’s lots of other interesting things there.

We really all need to raise these issues with the BBC Trust. See below for another post of mine on that.

Thanks for all your good work on this btw! Though, I wish you’d reconsider ;)

]]> Comment on get_iplayer dropped in response to BBC’s lack of support for open source by Paul Jakma http://linuxcentre.net/get_iplayer-dropped-in-response-to-bbcs-lack-of-support-for-open-source#comment-21487 Paul Jakma Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:45:23 +0000 http://linuxcentre.net/?p=914#comment-21487 <i>To everyone: Let the BBC know what you think, write to them, complete the consultation linked previously, write to your MP, comment on relevant BBC website articles, phone in to your local radio / newspaper, etc..</i> BBC Trust is running a <a href="https://consultations.external.bbc.co.uk/departments/bbc/bbc-strategy-review/consultation/consult_view" rel="nofollow">consultation on the BBC strategic review</a>. One of the key questions is regarding platform neutrality. It is very important that people fill in that survey and let the Trust know how important open ly specified access is. In particular the following is important for platform neutrality: - BBC Ondemand should *not* be built on proprietary, single-vendor technologies, such as Adobe Flash. - BBC Ondemand should be built on multi-vendor, open, non-discriminatory standards, such as HTML5 video. - The BBC should *not* be in the business of dictating which ondemand client implementations may access iPlayer and which may not. These things are important both for free software, but also more generally for a healthy market. It is not in the public interest for the BBC to become the king-maker of client device implementations. Please take the time to let the Trust know your views on platform neutrality and how the current situation is bad for the greater public interest. To everyone: Let the BBC know what you think, write to them, complete the consultation linked previously, write to your MP, comment on relevant BBC website articles, phone in to your local radio / newspaper, etc..

BBC Trust is running a consultation on the BBC strategic review. One of the key questions is regarding platform neutrality. It is very important that people fill in that survey and let the Trust know how important open ly specified access is.

In particular the following is important for platform neutrality:

- BBC Ondemand should *not* be built on proprietary, single-vendor technologies, such as Adobe Flash.

- BBC Ondemand should be built on multi-vendor, open, non-discriminatory standards, such as HTML5 video.

- The BBC should *not* be in the business of dictating which ondemand client implementations may access iPlayer and which may not.

These things are important both for free software, but also more generally for a healthy market. It is not in the public interest for the BBC to become the king-maker of client device implementations.

Please take the time to let the Trust know your views on platform neutrality and how the current situation is bad for the greater public interest.

]]> Comment on get_iplayer dropped in response to BBC’s lack of support for open source by Paul Jakma http://linuxcentre.net/get_iplayer-dropped-in-response-to-bbcs-lack-of-support-for-open-source#comment-21485 Paul Jakma Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:34:45 +0000 http://linuxcentre.net/?p=914#comment-21485 Bear in mind that in many cases the rights holders and programme makers are companies the BBC owns or has a significant in. Basically, when the BBC says it's forced to do these things because other rights holders, it's being "forced" by companies like BBC Worldwide... If you don't believe me, <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/12/introducing_iplayer_deskto.html" rel="nofollow">believe the BBC</a> - note the paragraph "<i>Our rights holders require ... For example BBC Worldwide..</i>". Bear in mind that in many cases the rights holders and programme makers are companies the BBC owns or has a significant in.

Basically, when the BBC says it’s forced to do these things because other rights holders, it’s being “forced” by companies like BBC Worldwide… If you don’t believe me, believe the BBC - note the paragraph “Our rights holders require … For example BBC Worldwide..“.

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